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 Post subject: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:01 am 
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"Together Again" - Fall 2010 Carolwood Foundation rail trip

The Carolwood Foundation is excited to announce the Fall 2010 Rail Trip on October 30 and 31. This excursion will feature some of the elements that made our Spring 2010 event wildly successful -- outstanding guest speakers, tantalizing cuisine, excellent company, all aboard beautifully restored private railcars. But what will make this trip a once-in-a-lifetime experience is a chance for our guests to actually ride aboard the original Santa Fe & Disneyland Railroad's combine coach!

By special arrangement with the Pacific Coast Railroad, we will reunite the combine with the other passenger cars of the fabled "Retlaw 1" consist. This is something that has not happened in over 35 years, and there are no guarantees that it will ever happen again after the combine moves to its permanent home by Walt Disney's Carolwood Barn in Griffith Park. The combine has not carried passengers since 1974, so this event presents a very rare opportunity to ride aboard what Walt himself proclaimed to be his favorite part of the SF&D railroad.

A first for this trip is that we will have two separate Amtrak trains pulling private cars to San Luis Obispo. The former California Zephyr dome coach Silver Lariat will originate in Oakland and includes presentations by Disney Legend Floyd Norman and Pixar story artist and voice talent Jeff Pidgeon. The Silver Splendor, the dome dining car from our Spring trip, will depart Los Angeles and features talks by Walt Disney Imagineering SVP Tony Baxter and WDI Principal Concept Designer Ray Cadd. Whichever train you chose, you'll start your journey Saturday morning, enjoy lunch on board and arrive in San Luis Obispo that afternoon.

You'll have Saturday afternoon free to explore charming "SLO" and enjoy dinner on your own at one of their quaint restaurants. That evening, all four of our guest speakers will participate in a panel session entitled, "Story is King: the Magic of Disney Storytelling". This event also includes the screening of rare Disney shows and the live auction of some wonderful treasures. With Halloween the next day, we may experience a few "spirited" surprises as well.

Sunday morning, buses will take guests out to the storied 1775 Santa Margarita Ranch for rides aboard the Pacific Coast Railroad behind an authentic steam engine. Be sure to bring your camera to record this historic event! We'll enjoy a delicious BBQ lunch before boarding the busses for the trip to the SLO Amtrak station and the journey home, including dinner aboard the coaches.

As another first, we are able to offer a very limited number of seats aboard the famed Scottish Thistle, a meticulously restored business car built for the senior executives of the Canadian National Railway. With seating for just 16 passengers and the services of a private chef, a journey aboard the Thistle is an elegant, intimate experience. Also departing from Los Angeles, guests on this "rail yacht" will enjoy quality time with Tony and Ray, one speaker each direction.

Due to the popularity of our last trip and the truly historic running of the SF&D combine, we expect this trip to sell out very quickly! The price for this amazing weekend is just $575 for passage aboard the Silver Lariat or Silver Splendor, and $875 for the Scottish Thistle. A 50% deposit is required by September 24, but we encourage you to make your reservation right away because the tickets will not last long.

To book your trip, please send an email to railtrip@carolwood.org. Please indicate if you want to ride on the Silver Splendor out of Los Angeles, the Silver Lariat out of Oakland or book passage aboard the Scottish Thistle, also out of Los Angeles. We'll respond with a message confirming your reservation, ask you for special requests and contact information, and provide instructions for payment. We gladly accept credit cards, Pay Pal or checks. Because we expect this event to quickly sell out, we'll take reservations on a "first-come, first-served" basis from mail sent to railtrip@carolwood.org.

For your stay on the night of October 30, we've arranged a special discount rate of $139 at our headquarters hotel, the SLO Embassy Suites. Please mention "Carolwood" when making your reservation to obtain this rate. You can reach the Embassy Suites at 1-805-549-0800.

We hope that you'll want to be a witness to Disney history and join us for what promises to be an amazing weekend. Please remember, the Carolwood Foundation is a 501(c)3 organization and all proceeds from this trip will help build a brand new home for the Retlaw 1 combine next to Walt's Barn.

We look forward to seeing you on board!

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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:27 am 
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How I wish I was not 3000 miles away!!! Mixing Disney and my Carowinds loco in one place! Back in 1975 I was an engineer at Carowinds and 'Melodia' was our No. 1 loco. I have followed this loco across country for the years since Carowinds removed their railroad from the park and sold most of the equipment. Our No. 2 loco that we called 'Blue' was sent to Neverland ranch of Micheal Jackson.
I have e-mail the folks at Pacific coast for a few years since I found they had bought No.1 and were working to restore/refit. It's great to see all this equipment being restored and used.
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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:09 pm 
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There's a glimpse of Melodia under steam in this video on YouTube:

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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:38 pm 
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Thanks! I have not seen her run since the last day I ran her! I sure wish someday I can get out there when they have Melodia out and running.


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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:55 pm 
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Melodia or the Pacific Coast Railroad #3 is running better than ever. It was recently re-timed and some other misc. repairs made. Dave, if you could, contact me PM as I have some questions about the locomotive.

For this Carolwood event, we are going to put together a great run at the PCRR. I am working on our Harpur American to get it back in service after sitting for 18 months. This is the locomotive that will pull all 5 Retlaw 1 cars around the railroad with ease. Currently two of the cars, #102,103 are being prepped for new roofs.

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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:19 pm 
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This is an unusual looking engine, with its slanted cylinders and handcart-wheel engine trucks. Is it a Porter? And was it built as a Prairie type? It looks like it may have been a Consolidation.

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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
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Melodia was built by Porter as a 2-6-2T plantation loco. It has been rebuilt a number of times. The guys at Pacific Coast have her sorted out about the best she's been in a while. For what she did at Carowinds she worked fine....but was never really taxed by real world work.


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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
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Roy wrote:
This is an unusual looking engine, with its slanted cylinders and handcart-wheel engine trucks. Is it a Porter? And was it built as a Prairie type? It looks like it may have been a Consolidation.
I doubt the pony and trailing trucks are the original ones.

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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:33 pm 
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Porter built all the early locomotives with slanted cylinders until around 1905. Other manufacturers such as Dickson and Glover copied this style also.

PCRR #3 / Carowinds #1 “Melodia” was the only 36″ gage Crown built on a historical frame and running gear, and the only one which was not a 4-4-0. It started life in September of 1897 when built by Porter as an 0-6-2T (c/n 1790) with 9″x14″ cylinders for the Barker and Lepine Plantation in Lafourche Crossing, Louisiana, then moved to the Laurel Valley Plantation in Tribodaux, LA where at an unknown date it was named Melodia. In the 1950's it became a part of the Arthur LaSalle collection.

In 1960, it was sold to Hubert Mitchell Industries and was stored in Hartselle, Alabama until 1962. It was then sold to James Freeland who owned Daniel Boone Village near Hillsborough, NC where it was run as a backup engine along with a Cooke 0-4-0.

In 1963, Freeland had the locomotive rebuilt by Crown into a 2-6-2 with tender. In the process, it received a Crown boiler, Crown tender, Crown pilot & trailing truck wheels, arched roof cab, cowcatcher, headlight, steam dome, and a tall, skinny diamond stack. It retained the hemispherical Porter sand dome, the inclined Porter cylinders (the Porter name is NOT cast into the steamchest as others have reported), the Porter builder’s plate, and the Porter smokebox door, also with the Porter name cast in. Minonotte Manufacturing Corp. built the boiler for Crown in April of 1964. After minimal use at the Daniel Boone Railroad, Freeland advertised the engine in Hemmings Motor News and sold it directly to Carowinds in 1971.

At Carowinds, #1 carried the name “Melodia” on the left side of the cab and the letters EPH on the right side of the cab for E. Pat Hunt, the developer who built the park. Melodia is reported to have run at Carowinds on June 13, 1972 for a publicity day, even though the park did not open to the public until March 1973. The ride circled the park which was divided in two by the North Carolina / South Carolina border (I wonder which state inspected the trains?). The station was at the front of the park, but unlike Disney where the station is over the main street, at Carowinds it was a depressed platform under the park entrance. The railroad was partially dismantled after the 1976 to make room for a new theme area (I’m told they didn’t want grade crossings), so the equipment stayed at Carowinds for a few years unused.

Melodia was sold in June 1980 to the George Roose collection in Cleveland, Ohio (George was part owner of Cedar Point Amusement Park in Sandusky, OH and he built the 36″ gauge Cedar Point and Lake Erie RR in 1963 out of his pocket when the park’s Board of Directors wouldn’t build it !!). In 1982, it was leased to Wild World (now Six Flags America) in Largo, Maryland along with our Vulcan 2-4-0 #2. Only the #2 ran there. Both engines returned to Sandusky, Ohio in 1984 after the lease was up and in December of that year, George Roose died. Both the Vulcan and Melodia were leased to the Nebraska Central in Grand Island, NE for two years in 1988,89 before going back into storage. It was at that time D.F. Barnhardt became the broker for the collection. Bill Norred purchased three of the locomotives from the collection including Melodia. All were sent to Shop Services in Mt. Pleasent, Iowa for overhaul and refurbishing as needed.

Melodia was the last of the three Norred locomotives to be restored at Mt. Pleasent when its founder Stan Matthews died in 1994 before it was finished. Melodia was completed by volunteers of the Midwest Central Railroad/Shop Services and then the locomotive was shipped to California to join the rest of the collection. In 1995, Bill Norred executed the "TRADE" that allowed the Retlaw 1 trainset to leave the Disneyland Roundhouse for a warehouse in Ventura, CA. What Disney got was a rather large Vulcan 2-4-4RT that is now part of the Cedar Point and Lake Erie by way of Anaheim, Orlando & Buena Park!

In 1998, Bill Norred passed away and the Norred family sold what was left of the collection excluding "Wells Fargo" to Rob Rossi and the Santa Margarita Ranch in 2000. A two mile railroad was built and began operations in 2005 hauling the public for special events and fundraisers.

I have had the privilege to work on and operate this equipment since the opening of the Pacific Coast Railroad. After some recent tweaks to the Melodia, she is running better than ever. When she came to the ranch, it would not hold steam pressure and could barely get out of its shadow. Our first CMO, Phil Reader of Georgetown Loop, along with myself and others have worked to make the Melodia the most reliable locomotive we have of our three. There are some things I do not like about the engine, mostly due to the conversion by Crown, but all in all, it is a good performer and has a great backhead for cooking on! Currently the Melodia has taken on the nickname of "FrankenPorter" due the the very nature of its metamorphosis.

As a side note, I am happy that Carolwood Foundation has acquired the Wells Fargo for preservation. Several others were offered the car by the Norred family prior to Carolwood and it could have gone any number of places including back to Disneyland. This event coming up is a "must" for those who are true purists of the Santa Fe & Disneyland Railroad.

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 Post subject: Re: Together Again - Retlaw 1 and the Combine! Oct 30 and 31
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:41 pm 
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Thanks for that pic!!! One I don't have! Thanks also for that history.....some of that I did not know! So glad you guys have her....sound like she is in good hands!


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