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 Post subject: Short Story on the Ernest S. Marsh Tender
PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:10 pm 
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Maybe this thread is better titled, "The story of shortening the tender of the Ernest S. Marsh." A while back, I purchased one of Hartland’s G scale Ernest S. Marsh models. For the most part it is a good product, not exact, but not horrible. The biggest issue that I had was the length of the tender and resulting odd proportion of the graphic . The Marsh has a short, 4 wheeled tender and Hartland used their standard 8 wheeled model. Here is a photo of the tender as purchased.

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/Existing.jpg[/img]

Here is Preston Nirattisai's drawing of the tender from Steve G's excellent book

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/Diagram.jpg[/img]

Using an enlarged print of the "blueprint", I determined how much tender had to be removed. Here is the wood load removed and cut and a prototype decal to determine how much to shorten it by,
[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/loadcut.jpg[/img]

At first, I tried to cut it with a razor saw, but this proved impractical

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/RazorSaw.jpg[/img]

I decided to go for it and cut it on a band saw. This was easier than expected.

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/BandSaw.jpg[/img]

I glued the new "halves" together and filled gaps and holes with putty.
[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/Patch.jpg[/img]

The horizontal rivets on the model were in the way of the decal, so they were trimmed off with a knife and then the sides sanded.

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/Sand.jpg[/img]

I wanted to use the same platform because it had the coupler to attach the tender to the engine. So I cut the platform the same amount and then ground off the wheel mounts with a dremel tool.
[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/CassisBottom.jpg[/img]

I obtained a Hartland flat car to use as a new chassis for the new 4 wheel arrangement. The sides had to be cut down to fit inside the platform and a notch had to be cut to allow the coupler to the Engine to be used.
[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/CassisCut.jpg[/img]

This photo shows the new chassis with the notch nested with the shortened platform

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/Cassistogether.jpg[/img]

Next came paint. I used Testors 1203 gloss red in a spray can. It is a little light. My first attempt was Model Masters Flame Red, but it was too dark.

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/Paint.jpg[/img]

Don't forget the wheels! I assumed they were red to match the other locomotive and tender wheels. I could not find any pictures. I also assumed that the trucks were black. If anyone knows anything to the contrary, I'd appreciate the correction.

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/Wheels.jpg[/img]


Decals were created using Preston's drawing and after about 4 hours on 2 days we have a more acceptable tender. The decal color still needs to be adjusted. This is a paper print taped to the model. I still need to make the "4" and whatever that little floral design is in the upper corner. Does anyone know what it is?

[img]http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo345/CPTRR/Marsh%20Tender/CK.jpg[/img]


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Dave,

thank you for your great topic.

Right now I'm converting the Bachmann G-Scale "Columbia" engine into the No.4 Ernest S. Marsh.

It appears the my engine has about the same tender as you converted in this topic, so it will be very helpful indeed !!

Thanks !!

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Cute little 2-4-0. I may have to build one, now!


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Incredible work, Dave! You're using the drawings exactly as intended. Glad they have been some use.

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[quote="Steve DeGaetano"],,,using the drawings exactly as intended. /quote]

I am ready to start 2 major projects. The Gurley and Kimball from wheel-set up. Your drawings are serving a great purpose!


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Steve,
Do you know what that little design is in the upper corner of the tender shown on Preston's drawing?


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It's just some fancy pinstriping. It isn't a picture of anything.

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Not the sharpest but I think it shows the detail well enough.

[img]http://www.startedbyamouse.com/DRDB/MarshTenderDetail.jpg[/img]

Sorry that I don't seem to have a straight-on version of it. I can look for one, if you need it, or try to get a better picture of it if the engine's on the line next weekend.

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As for the tender wheels, I couldn't find a picture but from this ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4tbcmQ18zY ) it doesn't look like they're red. Could just be me though.


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You could always ask The Dogg to snap some digitals for you.

Nice work, you are braver than I. For some reason I had little reservation about cutting into the LGB Gurley, but i refuse to do ANY modification to Marsh.

The front head lamp detail is missing from the production model of Marsh as well. It does exisit on the prototype which is housed in the barn. the detail can be seen in the photo section of Steve RR Adventure.


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